[Jäse]

I just clicked on that link- the gap is large considering we are talking about H1 figures only. The Equinox sold 11k more units than the Honda which is like 68% more.

I was referring to the gap between the Prologue and Blazer because they're platform twins.

 

[syakov79]

I was referring to the gap between the Prologue and Blazer because they're platform twins.

oh got you- my mistake, the gap is smaller this year than last year between the two. Last year people were speculating that the success of the prologue relative to the blazer was a clear sign that having carplay was a huge factor- this year that logic isn't holding up....

 

[myersondean]

GM is just more committed to an EV future than Honda is. I would also emphasize what was said about MSRP. At first I thought no way was a Blazer worth it to me. But big discounts on purchasing, not leasing, partly convinced me. Also the cheap trim for the Equinox is not always easy to find, and when I checked, getting your choice of color and options was even harder. So I probably would have had to get one of the other trims, and then the price difference was not so much.

 

[michaelpuceloski]

I felt the same way, the only thing I like better about the Honda is the availability of CarPlay. The Blazer system is functional, but could certainly be improved…and hopefully GM is working on it

I have owned my Blazer ev rs red for over a year and have driven the vehicle 15,000 miles. So far, I had only one issue. My charger door had to be replaced. As far as car play I don't miss it at all. I find the built in google system better. Millions of Tesla owners have no problems not having car play. Trust me you will not miss car play and the Blazer system is much more than functional.

 

[Old Dog New Tricks]

the backlash about android auto and carplay is an interesting topic. The harshly negative view many have on that front, is based on impression from afar. Mostly due to required subscription which takes place down the road a few years when the included connectivity bundle expires. Living without android auto / carplay is not that big of an issue day to day, as there are apps and ways of dealing with it
The main benefit of AAOS is the additional data the infotainment can access, and the things that are done utilizing that which improve the trip experience in so far as charging stops, planning etc

 

[syakov79]

I have owned my Blazer ev rs red for over a year and have driven the vehicle 15,000 miles. So far, I had only one issue. My charger door had to be replaced. As far as car play I don't miss it at all. I find the built in google system better. Millions of Tesla owners have no problems not having car play. Trust me you will not miss car play and the Blazer system is much more than functional.

part of the carplay omission obsession is that people who are proponents of it have to scare people as much as possible about the idea of not having it because as with anything, people adjust. I saw one review where the reviewers (both of whom harp on this constantly) basically said if they can't convince enough people to not buy GM products they will lose the battle and Gm will prove that you can sell vehicles without it (although Tesla already did that). So their message to viewers was please dont buy these GM evs even if they are good to send a message that carplay is a must have. Many of these people have very minor complaints or really dont articulate a strong case- they don't even try to learn how to use the system. The only legit compromise I see is no apple music app but that is apple's fault, not Googles. I'm sure Google would LOVE for them to build an apple music app for AAOS.

 

[myersondean]

One thing I have learned reading these forums (I never was on an auto forum before buying an EV) is how idiosyncratic people are about their cars. I guess it's not that surprising given how much we pay for them. Some people care a very lot about something that seems trivial to me. And who is to say what people should care about? Carplay is certainly more important than some of the odd things I have read about being a deal breaker for some people. So if people limit their choice of vehicle for whatever reason, I hope they find something that suits their desires, and I leave it at that.

 

[syakov79]

the backlash about android auto and carplay is an interesting topic. The harshly negative view many have on that front, is based on impression from afar. Mostly due to required subscription which takes place down the road a few years when the included connectivity bundle expires. Living without android auto / carplay is not that big of an issue day to day, as there are apps and ways of dealing with it
The main benefit of AAOS is the additional data the infotainment can access, and the things that are done utilizing that which improve the trip experience in so far as charging stops, planning etc

I find that reviewers who are against what GM has done give out all kinds of false info and then list NONE of the benefits of AAOS in these vehicles. I've seen reviews saying you cant text message with an iphone, that there is no way to listen to your apple music with AAOS, GM is trapping you with subscriptions (no mention of the 8 years of access), the system is too complex vs carplay, the voice controls don't work as well as Siri, etc. Many of the barely even show the infotainment system- its like "trust me, its no substitute for carplay and GM made a huge mistake". A small % of these people acknowledge that Tesla has already done this- but most pretend that reality doesn't exist and infer GM came out of left field with this notion and its unacceptable.

 

[Old Dog New Tricks]

part of the carplay omission obsession is that people who are proponents of it have to scare people as much as possible about the idea of not having it because as with anything, people adjust. I saw one review where the reviewers (both of whom harp on this constantly) basically said if they can't convince enough people to not buy GM products they will lose the battle and Gm will prove that you can sell vehicles without it (although Tesla already did that). So their message to viewers was please dont buy these GM evs even if they are good to send a message that carplay is a must have. Many of these people have very minor complaints or really dont articulate a strong case- they don't even try to learn how to use the system. The only legit compromise I see is no apple music app but that is apple's fault, not Googles. I'm sure Google would LOVE for them to build an apple music app for AAOS.

this is a highly loaded topic in general. It does look bad on GM for disabling what google themselves would otherwise allow. It is also true that a lot of app developers are loath to make the small amount of effort to edit / recompile their apps to run natively on AAOS. I cannot predict how this will end up in the long run.

it is actually not that terribly difficult to re enable what GM disallowed, however that requires some developer skills and credentials to carry out, and then you become a target for whatever action GM would take. If you make some of your living doing development work, you are not willing to expose yourself to conflict with GM or google, so here we are. There was a company in michigan which was advertising a service to add AA/carplay back in, but GM must have gone after them, because it got pulled off the market rather quickly.

 

[syakov79]

this is a highly loaded topic in general. It does look bad on GM for disabling what google themselves would otherwise allow. It is also true that a lot of app developers are loath to make the small amount of effort to edit / recompile their apps to run natively on AAOS. I cannot predict how this will end up in the long run.

it is actually not that terribly difficult to re enable what GM disallowed, however that requires some developer skills and credentials to carry out, and then you become a target for whatever action GM would take. If you make some of your living doing development work, you are not willing to expose yourself to conflict with GM or google, so here we are. There was a company in michigan which was advertising a service to add AA/carplay back in, but GM must have gone after them, because it got pulled off the market rather quickly.

my personal opinion has never changed- anyone who thinks that this is so important should have gotten another vehicle. To buy this knowingly and then complain about it online or share info about hacks or 3rd party solutions makes no sense when so many Evs have carplay. AAOS is spreading quickly so I suspect app developers will get on board. Also, with regards to AA and CP- only a very small fraction of apps work on there so it wouldn't take much to match the number of apps on AAOS- the only major one that is missing is Apple music and apple maps- the main apps that phone projection offers are there.

 

[Old Dog New Tricks]

my personal opinion has never changed- anyone who thinks that this is so important should have gotten another vehicle. To buy this knowingly and then complain about it online or share info about hacks or 3rd party solutions makes no sense when so many Evs have carplay. AAOS is spreading quickly so I suspect app developers will get on board. Also, with regards to AA and CP- only a very small fraction of apps work on there so it wouldn't take much to match the number of apps on AAOS- the only major one that is missing is Apple music and apple maps- the main apps that phone projection offers are there.

there is a very limited number of apps on AAOS compared to native android. GM allows an even smaller subset of these on the GM infotainment currently.

 

[Old Dog New Tricks]

if we constantly make excuses for, and enable GM's missteps in their infotainment system, how is it going to improve? There is a balance between being needlessly critical, and ignoring their mistakes, or trying to justify them. Look at other brands who are doing a better job to see where things should be going, and are not at the moment for GM vehicles.

 

[syakov79]

there is a very limited number of apps on AAOS compared to native android. GM allows an even smaller subset of these on the GM infotainment currently.

You are not understanding what I'm saying. Only a small number of android apps are available on Android Auto. Most of the significant apps from AA are available on AAOS.

 

[syakov79]

if we constantly make excuses for, and enable GM's missteps in their infotainment system, how is it going to improve? There is a balance between being needlessly critical, and ignoring their mistakes, or trying to justify them. Look at other brands who are doing a better job to see where things should be going, and are not at the moment for GM vehicles.

I don't have a problem with the infotainment system other than it could use more apps. Beyond that it works fine, I'm not making excuses. Can't speak for anyone else. Numerous other brands have moved to AAOS, it's not just GM

 

[NESFan1]

You are not understanding what I'm saying. Only a small number of android apps are available on Android Auto. Most of the significant apps from AA are available on AAOS.

Apple Music being a big omission as it's available on AA.

 

[syakov79]

Apple Music being a big omission as it's available on AA.

Yeah Apple needs to fix that. I don't think they want to.

 

[michaelpuceloski]

it would be more accurate to say GM has sorted the more serious problems with the software. There are still odd quirks throughout, but the game stopping bugs are better by far from where they started out at. there remains odd things like the charging app flaking out, numerous bluetooth stability issues, and failure to deliver on promised features more than a year into release of the vehicle. My experience with other non tesla vehicles also demonstrate this entire situation with quirks is common across all brands.

I haven't had any issues like you mentioned in the year I have had my car.

 

[michaelpuceloski]

The prologue is actually selling really well, better than Honda or GM predicted. Selling better than blazer for sure.

The Prologue is only outselling the Blazer because GM buyers have at least 8 ev vehicles to pick from spreading the sales over more vehicles where I think Honda has two vehicles. It's is like two stores. One store only sells Coca Cola, and a 2nd store sells Coca Cola, Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Dr. Pepper, Root Beer, Sprite, 7 Up, and etc. The first store should be selling more Coca Cola, but the 2nd store sells more soft drinks by far than the 1st store.

 

[michaelpuceloski]

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here are the numbers

I am not sure why you are presenting facts from 2024. There was a stop sell on the Blazer in 2024 and the Equinox didn't start selling until the 2nd half of 2024. If you want to compare apples to apples use the first half of 2025 stats. GM is doing very well. It is outselling everyone else, but Tesla.

 

[Old Dog New Tricks]

I am not why you are presenting facts from 2024. There was a stop sell on the Blazer in 2024 and the Equinox didn't start selling until the 2nd half of 2024. If you want to compare apples to apples use the first half of 2025 stats. GM is doing very well. It is outselling everyone else, but Tesla.

we are only halfway through 2025. I wasn't interested in comparing anything.